They’ve not only left Meline alone in the room, they’ve left two babies.

I mean, it’s a no no.

It’s bang out of order.

That’s child abandonment.

That that is an offense under British um statute of law under the Children’s Act, I think 1984.

and and if you commit an offense abroad, which would be an offense back home, you could be arrested for it.

So why were they not arrested for child abandonment? Now, I would be concerned if I was the senior investigating officer of the fact that the Gasper statement for one that there has been an indication that there could well be one if not more pedophiles within that little group of the tapest group all all doing different visits to different kids.

They even allowed the men to bath the other children.

What adult would allow a man to bath their own infant child? Kate McCann makes an awful um statement in her book about Mad makes a reference to Meline’s perfect vagina.

The the flat had been bleached cuz as you said with the sniffer dogs, the only trace they had was in the Macan’s apartment where Madlin was last seen and in the car that they rented.

Now that I have you sitting in the chair, what do you think happened to little Madeline? the legend himself, John Wedger.

Welcome to the show.

It’s a pleasure.

This episode will be based on the disappearance of Madlin Macan.

But before we go into that incredible story, if you can speak me through what you’ve got going on in the now and present.

Yeah.

I mean, my life’s crazy because it it goes in peaks and troughs, but my narrative is quite consistent and and and whatever I say.

And I remember when I first started doing this, I said to someone um with what I say, the one thing and the topic I talk about, the one thing that that those that do likewise will never prove wrong.

So when I first started doing it, I did get attacked as being a conspiracy theorist, especially when I started talking about ritualistic abuse and I started getting heavy heavy trolling and also I started getting attacked by certain elements within the national media.

quite esteemed journalists um were classing me as dangerous for for my uh narrative regarding satanic ritual abuse and its you know its presence and the fact that it this is a real and and present danger and that went on for quite some time and and they call it satanic panic and they say what I what I do puts out a false narrative and it could uh result in children being put into care unnecessarily and and it’s a very tricky topic IC because the survivors of it can have very complex mental health issues.

Not saying they’re lying, but they can.

Some be deluded, some might have disassociated identity disorder, multiple personalities.

So, one personality will say one thing, one will say the other thing, but it’s the nature of the beast because what happens to them is pure beastly, you know.

And I got sent a document through uh by someone in parliament uh two weeks ago and said, “John, you you won’t believe this.

You’ve got to read this document, an official government document and it’s to the National Council of Chief Constables, right? And it’s to all the police forces throughout Great Britain.

And it is a a training document on the reality of satanic ritual abuse and how they are now going to have it as part of the training police training curriculum.

Uh there’s going to be specialist officers that are going to be trained in how to recognize ritual abuse.

And it’s something that I’ve been pushing for really since I’ve started doing this that it should be treated as an aggravating factor a bit like um when when someone is assaulted and and there there’s a connotation that it’s homophobic or it’s racial it becomes an aggravating factor which which ups the sentence and I’ve always said that there’s certain cases against children whether it be sexual assault, rape, things like that they if they’re done in a ritualistic environment it should have its own aggravated bit on the statute.

books for it and they’re now doing it.

So I’m thinking, wow, that that’s such a step forward.

And a few years ago, I was asked to uh become a core participant, a national core participant in the the UK government’s um independent child abuse inquiry.

Scotland had their own strand of it, which sort of come to fruition a bit a year after the, you know, rest of the UK did.

And it’s because there’s a there’s a different judicial system up here, you know, and the findings are all the same, you know, just horrific how these kids have been let down.

And my statement was the largest statement submitted in the the UK’s national inquiry and the government just didn’t want it getting out there.

So the day of the the trial when I was due to give evidence at the government hearing, the government solicitors unpagionated my statement.

And what that means is they first page of the statement is quite obvious.

it’s the first page.

The last page is quite obvious it’s the last page.

But in between if you put page 13 as page 27 and page 16 as page n it becomes nonsensical and that’s called unpagionation and that’s what they did.

So the day I’m meant to give evidence I’m handed an unpageenated statement.

It’s it’s just spiteful tricks that they do.

Moving on in the story.

Yeah.

If you could now take me into the Meline Macccan case.

Well, you know, the meddling Macan thing is is so perplexing on many many levels.

And recently it made the the press again because the German police have said, “Look, there there’s a body in this area in Portugal.

We think it’s Meline.

” And of course, I’ve said they’ll never find her.

She’s long gone.

And and I said, “Well, don’t worry about it.

It’ll happen today.

It happened, you know, the other year.

it happen probably next year that that these people will come forward and they’ll open this up and they’ll send Kadaavver dogs in, but it won’t be her.

I mean, kids go missing all the time and and no doubt there are bodies secreted all over the place.

Um, but Meline’s long gone and you know and the sensationalism around this one girl, the amount of money they spent, the connectivity of the parents and isn’t it funny how the parents haven’t been commenting on this because I think the public perception of them is so low now um that they’re just not going to get entertained anymore.

Uh, and I’m not knocking the girl.

There was a girl that um came forward, Polish girl called Julia, claiming that she was Meline and she made contact with me and and I passed her on to other podcasters and I but I did speak with her.

She was a well-meaning, intelligent, articulate, nice individual.

And from the start, I said, “In my opinion, you’re not Meline, you know.

” And I said, “But Julia, have you been the victim of ancestral child abuse?” And she said, “Yeah, I had.

” So, it was my opinion that it was just a projection, you know, and there’s some ingrained issues going on upstairs, but she’s a woman that that is um like I said, articulate, intelligent, and and holds a professional job and speaks very very good English, but she’s not but she started um coming over to the UK from Poland and basically doorstepping uh the Macans and I did well don’t do this.

is, you know, whatever we think of Kate McCann, she’s lost a daughter.

You know, whether she’s involved in it or not, she’s still lost a daughter.

And, you know, I think it’s time to put it to bed, but for good.

Definitely.

As I say, this is the first time I’ve really went right into the case, John.

And there’s so many inconsistencies all the way from when she was reported missing, the investigation, the aftermath, the hush hush, all these things.

It’s so crazy.

But if we can get into the case.

So you’re getting back to like 2007 when it happened.

Yeah.

So So this little girl, I don’t know how old she was.

She was only three at the time.

Three at the time.

Right.

A week away from her fourth birthday.

Right.

So she’s got two siblings, twins who were infant, little baby infants.

And they’re on this holiday with mom and dad.

And and this group, they call them the tapas nine or whatever.

I don’t know.

Maybe the tapas 7, whatever.

So this whole extended group have gone away up to this spa resort in in Portugal on the Algav and little girl goes missing, right? And then there’s this big manh hunt and it sort of goes on to this day.

tens of millions plowed into this by uh consecutive home secretaries keeping the case open and you like you say consistency is starting to occur and things didn’t add up from the start really from the start with me and it was quite funny cuz um colleague of mine said what do you notice about you know when when Jerry and Kate started making these these uh public appeals and the first thing you’ve got to Look at they’ve got media appeal.

They’re both attractive couple, physically fit, you know, middle class, white professionals.

They’ve got it all going on, you know, they really have.

And um but but they do I think the day after they do this public appeal.

And my colleague went, “What do you notice about the mom?” I went, “I don’t know.

” Said, “She’s got makeup on and earrings.

” I went, “Oh yeah.

” Said, “That ain’t right, is it?” I went, “No.

” Now I dealt with a case when you know my background is is an investigator career detective and I did many years and and difference of comments to various units dealing with child protection vice and things like that.

So in the sex crime uh indust you know genre uh you have to be vetted before you go in there.

You have to be psychometrically tested and you have to undergo uh certain um sessions with with psychiatrists, right? And psychometric testing is a is a very clever thing and it it really basically weeds out if you have been the victim of child sexual abuse.

Uh and that will come out because you can’t give a balanced um approach to an investigation if you have come from that.

That’s the theory.

And then there’s other arguments to back that up.

And you get what’s known as a hero complex, you know, like so you get survivors will become social workers or you get a lot of these um groups, these pedophile hunter groups, and there’s quite a large amount of them have come from the survivor community.

And I’m not knocking them.

I’m not here to knock them or denigrate them.

But we’re adults having an adult chat.

But there’ll be no vetting.

You know, you say, “I want to catch these nons cuz they ruin my life.

” And rightly so, and I get that police aren’t doing it.

Good, I’m behind them.

But you you can be unbalanced in your approach.

And sometimes you see it when when they arrest people.

Uh there’s a lot of anger that there’s a lot of demeaning as well that they they put these people down.

It’s not professional.

And if you was to um have arrested a pedophile like that, you could have got the case thrown out.

And some even go on to mock the person.

And when you see some of the the the offenders that they catch, they’re clearly damaged people who are without a doubt victims themselves.

It can be the real lowhanging fruit of society, you know, and I think borderline whether or not they’re mentally able to have made a decision themselves to commit a criminal act, you know, but you can’t have that in policing and you can’t have that sort of way of going about things.

And especially when it comes to child protection, you have to have be someone that’s got quite a resilient nature, a compassionate nature.

Um, and you’re going to be dealing with very very tricky people.

They’re not like normal criminal.

There’s nothing honorable in their crime and they’re manipulators as well.

Uh, so it takes quite a stoic individual.

And when I worked on these units, they were good.

They were they were very good, very good interviewers.

They were better than any of the criminal investigator interviewing units I ever dealt with.

The child protection ones were the cream of the crop when it comes to interviewing, right? Very, very clever.

And we were trained in in such a a unique way.

Um, and we were trained to to ask three questions, four questions.

Tell me, explain, describe, show.

Very open questions, right? Not close question, open.

And we had to be careful with our body language.

I’m I’m from an Italian background and we talk with our hands.

The Italians it’s so I would I used to say if anyone’s Italian just put your hands under there cuz I could elicit information.

If you’re talking to me and you’re saying something which is going in the right direction that is an encouragement.

I’m leading you justiculating leading.

Right.

And kids like to acquies.

So kids will say what they think is pleasing the adult and and so it it’s it’s a very very uh tight and very monitored way of interviewing and everything like we got here we got three cameras.

It was same as an interview suite.

We would have three cameras and one would be on me, one would be on a kid and one would be a revolving camera and it’ be make sure that I’m not.

So I used be sat like that having these open questions and uh we would look for things traits in people as well and I had to um interview a woman she was from Ethiopia and her daughter had died her infant daughter had died and it was suspicious but it was a cot death as they call it sudi we call it now sudden unexplained death of an infant sulie used to be termed [ __ ] death and they said you got enough to nick the mother for for manslaughter or murder you know I was like seriously went yeah oh no and this woman had just lost the most precious thing in her life a child and then I had to arrest her right on suspicion of killing her own child and I have never felt so much of a dog in all my life I then had to rub pure salt into these open wounds this woman was distraught bought.

She was beyond grief and it was harrowing.

You could feel the pain coming out of her heart.

Her heart was broken and you could feel it.

And we had to then interview her, right? It was appalling, but it was the protocol and it’s what I had to do.

So, I’ve dealt with a woman who lost her kid, lost her kid, and I’ve seen the pain and the heartache and the sorrow.

Did I see that in Kate McCain? No.

No.

I saw someone who was grieving.

You could see there’s grief in him.

You didn’t see anything with her.

You can see that she has got a heart.

Um but she’s hard nose.

She’s hardened her heart.

But him, he’s there’s something very very off-putting.

And now when you look at them these all these years later, you can see that that she’s harrowed.

She hasn’t aged well.

That is a woman that is in a lot of trouble.

And him, he looks exactly the same.

It hasn’t seemed to have phased him.

Um, should they have been arrested? Of course.

Of course.

That’s what I was going to ask you, John, because it’s such a controversial case, but now that I have you sitting in the chair, Yeah.

what do you think happened to little Meline? Right.

So, there’s rumors abound.

Okay, that the Macs are into a practice known as swinging rumors.

Okay, there’s no I’m not putting any fact across.

I have spoken to someone who claims to have been at a party up at such a venue and they’ve been there and have had politicians and uh prominent people, right? But I’ve got nothing to back that up.

Evidentially, where would it go? I don’t know.

Crimly, well, it it should be looked into.

And I’ve told the guys, speak to Operation Graange about it because I think it’s important.

And when you’re investigating such a serious case, it’s all important.

It look, if you look at how someone lives, you see how they die right now.

Meline’s life, we can’t really look into her life because she it’s unaccomplished.

It’s a three-year-old, but the parents could definitely look into them.

Would it make a difference swinging? I I think so.

I think so.

Because when you’ve got a practice like that, a secret practice, right, it can be influential.

Now, I’m going to give you an example.

I I had got offered a job dealing with top secret information for for quite a covert part of policing.

And I was very good at what they call field intelligence.

So, I was offered, look, there’s a little job going here.

And I had to undergo um the highest level of vetting, security vetting is very, very high.

It’s what if you’re working anywhere near top secret information or central government or parl or or or royalty and that you’d have to go through this level of vetting and it’s so intrusive but financially they need to know everything about you right you have to account for everything your your bank but also your private life and they needed to know every single sexual partner I’d had right and they said if if there’s something crops up on here that that we later find out about you’re off.

So if you find out that you’ve had it off with a colleague and you’ve mentioned it in there, that’s a level.

Is it relevant? Well, obviously they deem it relevant because sexuality um and homosexuality and bisexuality and promiscuity have all got a leverage, right? So the the woman sergeant that that was running this, she said uh she she said, “I I could not get that job that you’re going for.

” I went, “All right, cuz I’m a lesbian.

” There’s a lot of lesbians in the police.

I said, “Cool, that’s a bit out of date saying that.

” She said, “No, see it’s a fact.

Um, a lot of homosexuals fail the vetting because of of their promiscuity and their lack of um oh, what’s the words? Uh, you know, like with marriage, I know there’s gay marriage now, but back then it it was still in its early days and all that.

So, so that um trying to make something permanent, that security of of of tying the knot and all that, but it was really mainly down to the promiscuity element of it.

And also, if you’re into swinging, you have a lot of you have an open sexual relationship with your partner into swinging and you’ll find out that you’ve been on swinging websites.

Um, and if they do an intrusive look into your web history and find that that that is one of the things you do or dogging, you’ve cropped up on a dogging site or you’ve been seen at a dogging site, your car’s been seen there and it’s linked to you.

Um, anything like that, you will not pass vetting because it has a massive lever, right? And I can go into a lot more detail bit later on with stuff as well.

It holds a lever.

And this is where sexual crimes are different to crimes of dishonesty and violence, which which are the predominance in in a copper’s day-to-day sort of patrolling.

It’s usually scroty people from house and estates either fighting each other or [ __ ] each other to be vernacular, you know.

Um, but when it comes to sex crime, you usually dealing with an emotionally broken people and promiscuous people tend to come from a um abuse backgrounds and they’re emotionally broken as well.

Um, sex can be used as a weapon more more those than a loving thing.

And you’ve got emotional immaturity as well, right? So there’s a brokenness that goes with it.

And the thing is because it’s an emotional thing, it it it’s not to do with poverty.

It’s so it’s not tied into the usual boundaries of criminality such as poverty, neglect, living on housing estates, housing schemes as you call them up here, things like that which are the majority of crime.

Sex crime is different.

It knows no boundaries.

So sexual sex crime uh is a bit like Satanism uh in as fact it is the most diverse thing going right uh they don’t care who joins like with Satan this you know they’re not interested where you’re from your age group and all that you know your color anything anything goes and it’s the same with with with sex crime it doesn’t know economic boundaries right it doesn’t know racial divides It’s it it doesn’t know financial restrictions.

It knows nothing.

It is a hot knife through the butt of society.

Do you think that’s where we can find the truth in this case? Yeah, definitely.

I think that there’s going to be a strong sexual element to this.

Uh there was the statement called the Gasper statement where one of the um people involved in this was was uh a woman called someone and so Gasper and she made a statement to uh is it Nottingham Shere Police? Is it not him? They’re from um or Leicester.

Lester shed.

I said Lester they’re from saying look um you need to be careful um with this inquiry because there’s a guy called Dr.

pain that’s involved.

And it was Jerry’s mate, this fellow called Payne.

And this woman, Gasper, had made allegations that that pain potentially could be, you know, um of a liking of young kids and and evidence that with gesticulation and and and things that went on in conversations between this Dr.

Payne and Jerry who they were colleagues together in this Leicester Royal Infirmary or something.

I think one of them was that this Dr.

pain was sort of indicating oral sex or playing with his nipples and does Meline do this? So, it’s totally highly inappropriate conversation to have towards a young child, you know.

So, that went in and that that sort of didn’t really go anywhere.

Um, and then on top of that, there’s a guy who’s just died.

Uh, what is his name? He’s he’s a statement analysis.

He’s a tremendous individual and I had quite a lot of communication with him.

Uh his name will come to me in a minute and he ran an academy in America and he was based on I think on the the east coast of the states and he used to do statement analysis for for law Peter Hayatt his name is Peter Hayatt and he worked for law enforcement and he would analyze the spoken word but in its written format.

So he would transcribe someone’s uh narrative and in there he said you can pick out anomalies and you can you can detect lying to a 99.

6 sixth degree you can protect.

And so when when he analyzed a series of statements by the mechanics, he picked out so many anomalies.

And he and he openly said um he they’re lying.

They’re both lying.

He said that Kate probably comes from an abused background.

She’s got an inability to protect her own children, which which is something that we would indicate as child protection officers.

If someone has been sexually abused as a kid, there is a highly likelihood they will fail to protect their children.

That’s why some kids are taken into care at birth because they know the mother might not be able to protect that kid.

So, they get straight in there and they rights and wrongs each case and its individual merit and all that, but these things do go on.

Um, and and he sort of indicated that he thinks that Jerry is, you know, a pervert in basic terms that, you know, this Pete Hyatt’s words, not mine.

But it was fantastic and I would concur with so much of what he said.

Now, here’s my opinion and it is my opinion, right? Um I I think that there may well have been some sort of history going on along them lines.

I don’t know, but I you know, I’ve watched some of the videos um the home videos made and all that and it seems a little bit creepy when they’ve um addressed Meline and filmed Meline and things like that.

Um they said she was a very very hyperactive child.

Um and and she was quite loud which might indicate that there’s some sort of trauma going on with a little girl that that she’s misbehaving.

She’s not got harmony and that could be that she’s she’s distressed in some way.

Um I was told that uh that they were medicating the child you know with a seditive.

Um, again, that that could be the fact that the kid don’t sleep and they need sleep or whatever, but also, you know, if you medicate a child, um, do you need that kid to be lucid when things are going on? Maybe not.

Um, when when it came to ritualistic abuse, kids would will be drugged, right? Uh, because of the horrors, there’ll be a lot of resistance and everything else.

And and part of what goes on is usually sexual and and torturous.

So the the victims and survivors of ritualistic abuse, they they will be given hallucinogenic drugs.

So they were away with affairs.

But also when they have memory recall, they recall rabbits and butterflies and because they’re on hallucinogens.

So their testimony has got no no worth.

Where do you go with it? Cuz so but but they had to be awake.

there had to be a degree of lucidity about them because of what they were going to endure.

When it comes to to to sexual abuse and and pornography, you don’t need that.

You can anotize them.

Uh I’ve spoken to survivors who have um cropped up in and had to be shown pornographic magazines, child pornographic magazines, and they recognize themselves in there.

And the one thing they say, “But look at my body.

” And they’re they’re basically asleep cuz they’ve been knocked out.

they’ve been sedated.

Whether they’ve been given Zopicone or some sort of um you know sleeping tablet like that, I don’t know.

Uh but bear in mind both of these were aniththetists.

So would they have had access to that sort of medication? Yep.

Would they know how much to administer? Probably.

Yeah.

And and with an anesthesia, I’m no expert, but I know that you’re limited to how many times you can be administered it because it has a residual effect.

So for whatever reason now I would be concerned if I was the senior investigating officer of the fact that the Gasper statement for one that there has been an indication that there could well be one if not more pedophiles within that little group of the tapest 7 tapest 9 whatever the number was that would that would be an alarm bell for me.

Um another one would be the sterling work of Peter Hayyatt who who submitted you know a statement and his analysis um of what he did regarding that which was with with with absolute credul you know I mean this this guy’s a a documented um almost infallible uh expert in forensic expert and he said I’ll go I’ll go to court let them sue me they never did they never did and his findings were were you know, they were on point in my opinion.

But for sorry, John, for the audience watching, if you were to paint like a scenario, what actually happened that day or that the evening before? So, so we’ve got all that background and then this family have gone out to to eat in an evening.

Now, as a single parent of four kids who would go abroad with my kids, Portugal, Spain, France, they’re all child friendly.

You’re not going to get kicked out of a restaurant for having kids.

In fact, they welcomed the kids in there.

There was no need for them to leave them kids in there.

The other thing we got to look at is uh they’ve not only left Meline alone in the room, they’ve left two babies.

I mean, it’s a no no.

It’s bang out of order.

That’s child abandonment.

That that is an offense under British um statute of law under the Children’s Act, I think 1984.

and and if you commit an offense abroad, which would be an offense back home, you could be arrested for it.

So why were they not arrested for child abandonment? And they said it was common practice.

And then they were allowing each other to do these this circuit where they would go around and and check on the kids every 15 minutes.

They said, “Well, what’s the point of that? If if if that would happen, we would have had to have done three or four checks as we sat here.

” And then they when they supplied the rotor of what they who was checking whose kid it was so convoluted and confusing it couldn’t possibly have worked.

It wasn’t that one person every half hour would do all of them.

No, one would do one and then do the other and it was all it become a bit of a mess.

So it looked like there was a distraction and a confusing element put into the mix to start with.

uh for many years I’m not putting aspersions on any race but I I I dealt with um deception in respect to passport fraud and the predominant group that used to um cause a lot the the passport deception and we would arrest probably nine times out of 10 were Nigerians right and uh when you arrested a Nigerian fraudster it was just total confusion they would leave you in a state where you didn’t even know what your own name was right they would just accomplish liars.

Again, I’m not calling all Nigerians that at all, but Nigerian frosters, they’ve got it down to a tea.

They know the score, right? They know the apple core, as we say.

And it was confusing and it it had elements of that in in in their narrative.

This group all all doing different visits to different kids.

They even allowed the men to bath the other children.

So, one man would be allowed to bath another kid.

What what adult would allow a man to bath their own infant child? And and why would you do it anyway? For what reason? But they tried to show this was the openness that they had.

It was wrong and perverted.

It it it stinks, right? So I think that the night that they they had this meal and they said Meline went missing from this gap in the window.

Right now we got to break this down.

I think Meline probably died the day or two days before.

I think she died from a uh an accumulation of seditives.

I think that the girl Meline was probably woke up due to a tolerance of this or not enough of this seditive or whatever.

I think she’s done her best, been screaming and tried to find her mom in a panic, frightened like any little kid left alone in a little prison cell of a room in a baking hot country would do.

Right.

And I think she’s tried to climb up a window or something to try and see mommy and daddy.

I think she’s fallen.

I think she’s got injured.

I think she suffered positional asphixxia and I think she’s suffocated through positional asphixia.

That’s what I think.

Um the the flat had been bleached, right? Why would you do that? The dog, the cadaavver dog, uh was a guy called Martin Grimes, uh who had the best dog ever recorded in in in policing history for hit rates, you know, uh cadaavver, um trained to sniff out uh human, you know, they train them in quite a unique way.

So they train them on pigs.

So pigs are unbelievable because they’ve got the same buildup as a human being.

So every organ in a pig will work in us.

Even the blood will work in us.

So all this nonsense about evolution, right? You know, so Charles Darwin and and Richard Atra, you can I’m not a fan of yours.

I don’t believe in it.

Right.

But so why why why can’t we transpose an organ from from a chimp into our body? Can’t.

It won’t work.

But pig will.

And how many religions don’t eat pig? Quite a lot.

you know, um, and the smell, a calav dog will struggle to tell difference between a rotten human and a rotten pig, right? So, they train them on rotten pigs.

Even ballistics, when they’re doing ballistics, shooting and ballistics testing, they shoot them on a pig because it has the skin has the same uh reaction when shot as a human body.

And pigs and humans, the only two animals that suntan, they suntan, pigs and humans.

Um but they’re also b body farms.

So uh you can donate your body to science and um the bodies are buried um in shallow graves and deliberately rotted and dogs are trained on that on humans, you know.

So they do get trained on rotten humans as well.

So there’s there’s these body farms.

Grim, but there’s these body farms.

So the dog that got sent in picked up a scent.

It picked up a scent a scent of blood right from that child and it picked it up in the car as well.

Um I think that that it’s a genuine mistake.

I I looking at Kate McCann, she’s generally concerned in my opinion about what happened.

It’s had an emotional toll in it.

Jerry, no.

No, can’t see any remorse there.

But um I think it is a mistake.

the perversion or suspected perversion element to one side.

Right? I don’t think anyone intended that to happen.

I think they’ve moved the body.

They panicked and they’ve got that body out and they’ve all been in on it together.

Right.

And the body has gone I I reckon it’s gone into the sea.

That’s my opinion.

Um you try digging in that soil in that country.

It it is rock hard, you know.

But you’ve got the the Atlantic coast, a ferocious coast.

Um, highly tidal, not like the Med.

Um, a lot of predation in there.

It’s not overfished.

It’s rocky.

Um, so it’s not going to be trolled.

So, a weighted down body in that water is not going to last long.

You know, the the lobsters, the prawns, the bottom feeders will eat it.

The trollman, they ain’t going to go that far.

and the sports divers, you know, you’ve just got to get, you know, they’re going for depths of divers.

You’ve only got to get somewhere which won’t be appealing to to the the diving fraternity.

Maybe a local boaty person would know exactly where to go.

Cuz as you said with the sniffer dogs, the only trace they had was in the Macan’s apartment where Madlin was last seen and in the car that they rented.

So it kind of paints its own picture.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it picked up and these dogs don’t lie.

So, they’ve gone out their way to discredit the dog handler.

Um Kate McCann makes some awful um statement in her book about Mad makes a reference to Meline’s perfect vagina.

I mean, why would you even do that? You know, it’s like one of my boys dying and I make a comment about his perfect little winkle.

I mean, it just you would never put the two together.

It’s it’s strange because one of the things when you used to interview people that that were believed involved in in in murders and stuff like that, um, one of the things was if people when they’re talking about extreme trauma, being on a traum in a trauma scene or being involved in the trauma and they start talking about food or they they want to go and eat or something like that, it’s a massive alarm bell.

It’s a massive figure.

There was one guy I can recall was talking about a a murder and and he he remembered the day cuz he remembered what he had to eat that day.

Well, that was an alarm bell straight away because why would you do that? Why would you associate food food and trauma? They don’t go together.

So, if trauma occurs, last thing you do is eat.

You might have a cup of tea and a cigarette to calm yourself, but you don’t eat.

And it’s a lasting thing for your mind.

So, when you put food and that together with trauma, you you know you might because what it is, it’s a base level thing.

So that guy Mazo said the hierarchical core of needs and at the base level is food and shelter.

Higher up is a need to be part belonging to a community and and have something further on in life.

But that’s once you establish you want them things initially.

You need food and shelter.

So so when people are caught up in in in trauma and they still think about food and shelter, it’s what an animal would do.

It’s base level emotion and it shows you’re dealing with someone with very base level emotion.

So for her to then mention about a child’s sex organ, it’s odd.

Very very odd.

It it would be an alarm bell for me if I was looking at I’m thinking why she mentioned that.

I would explore that to its degree.

Why mention your child’s vagina? Cuz there was there was there was no evidence of an abduction then.

Mo was no.

And and then when we look at the crime scene, so they’re saying that a transient child snatching pedophile has taken that child out via this open window.

Well, if you look at that, so you then got to climb through that window.

You’ve got to snatch a child they’re saying wasn’t sedated or anything like that.

who’s going to kick off, scream, and do everything going to be frightened, panicking, and then you’ve got to get them back through the window that you’ve just about secreted yourself through.

How’s that going to work? It isn’t.

And then you got to make your way then through the streets and everything else of a popular tourist resort and not be seen.

What are the chances of that happening? It it’s it goes into I don’t know.

I’m not a statician, you know? So, they’re saying that this is what we should be looking at.

this this guy that’s stolen happened to come across it gone through and and picked a time when this bizarre convoluted 15minute checking up on kids thing’s gone on.

So the window of opportunity the chances and all that it makes it more infinite doesn’t it that that this actually did occur.

So there’s that scenario.

Well there’s a thing in policing that the simplest explanation is usually a correct one.

Well, what if they’ve overdosed a kid and it’s fallen and it’s got positional assixure and died? Well, it sort of makes sense.

It does make sense.

I think they then utilize that time to totally scrub that to to a clinical standard that room, right? So, there’s nothing left evidentially, tangible evidence of that at all.

Um, they then planned to to to an a very intellectual degree about what to do, staged this scene the next day.

They’ve got the solace of knowing that the child has been disposed of, so that’s not going to be found, right? And then the rest of it, they’ll just have to deal with it as it happens.

And then they go and get this guy in who becomes their spokesperson.

Can’t remember his name now.

And he’s quite a dogmatic media guru who who basically is a bit like when we was in the crown courts with the defense barristers.

You people like Michael Mansfield who whose job is just to discredit anyone who comes their way.

You just got to discredit people, you know.

Um and then you discredit the information that comes through them, you know.

And this is what this can’t remember his name now.

It’s on the back of my tongue.

And then all of a sudden they get the pontiff involved.

You know, they rely on deity worship to bolster up their stories.

God is my witness.

We used to get that with the Nigerian deception guys.

They be the Bible would come out in the name of Jesus.

I you know no no you know I go to church.

I do this always bring deity worship in to take it to that higher level.

So they’ve got the pope involved.

Then they’ve got uh Gordon Brown involved which which is odd as well because Gordon Brown’s brother I’ve heard has been was connected to Thomas Hamilton.

That was a dumb blame murder.

So and also Jerry stayed in the same street as Gordon’s brother.

Is that right? Or Gordon Brown himself? Yeah, Peter Brown.

And I was told that Peter Brown knew the Macs anyway as well.

So So that connection got made quite straightforward.

um and and the millions that has been spent on it.

And so the average manh hours spent on a child, I did some research into this, it’s something like 11 hours.

And the average amount of money, police resources, about £1,700, right, on investigating a missing child, right? They’ve had 17 million, something like that.

The other thing is the the police uh the judicial police um in in Portugal they they basically said that we think the parents are guilty.

All right.

So they think the parents were guilty of of neglect and and of of the death of their child and they arrested them because that’s what they generally believed which is what I generally believe.

the um head of the judicial police um concalves wrote a book about it.

They tried to sue him and he went and wrote another book about it.

Is that really the actions of a man who made it? Why would you make it up? What is look look what you got to look at with crime? You got to look at who benefits.

Where is the benefit of the head of the police judicial or whatever it’s termed in Portugal who’s got the national and global media up his ass.

What’s the point of him lying? There is no benefit.

That would have been the most suicidal, ridiculous thing ever to stitch them up.

And and they said there was no roadblocks put in place.

Of course there weren’t cuz there was no need to.

There was no need to.

He knew what happened.

And there may well have been intelligence that done.

There was there was also stuff about there was I don’t know.

I think there was in in the log there was concerns about these kids being left and things like that.

So there was evidence pointing to the fact that there was child abandonment going on here on a regular basis.

Right.

So they’ve just exploited and bullied.

That’s what they’ve done is bullied absolutely everyone.

Now the British police get involved, right? What the effing hell’s it got to do with the British police? They have no jurisdiction there.

The only involvement they should have had was coming over and arresting Kate and Jerry for child abandonment under the provisions of the the Children’s Act, which is what they should have done.

They should have been nicked by the British police.

They’ve gone out there and they’ve taken their sniffer dogs.

They’ve taken everything white.

It’s got nothing to do with them.

They have no jurisdiction.

And the policing doesn’t is it’s not compatible.

We over there it’s called a Napoleonic system.

You’re guilty.

You got pro prove innocence.

Over here with the burden of proof is the flip side of it.

There’s a presumption of innocence in this country.

In in Europe, uh they have Napoleonic law, right? In in the Commonwealth, we have common law, God’s law, right? Harm, loss, and nuisance with the presumption of innocence.

That’s what we have.

So, it had absolutely nothing to do with them.

And then we got to look at if you’ve been on, it’s called Operation Graange, right? It’s been running for what, I don’t know, 18 years or something like that.

What have they proven? Nothing.

Nothing.

They’ve had millions and millions sent nothing.

Now, here’s the thing.

thing.

So when I when I was on child protection, sorry, vice, right, I dealt with kids that were from care homes that were being pimped out, the grooming gangs, as we say.

No, no Kashmiri cab drivers involved.

These were Jamaicans, these were Lithuanians, these were English, these were Albanian, these were Kosovo, these were as diverse as London’s diverse is is a diversity of the the uh uh suspects and and the victims.

they were just just equally as diverse boys and girls of every single color.

Right.

So, um you know that that was the uh the No, I’ve lost me point a little bit here.

You spoke to me about something.

Sorry to interrupt, John.

And it was Let me get this right.

Geographical profiling.

Yeah.

I don’t know if that comes into the grooming gang thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I I’ll come on to that in a minute cuz because it’s it’s interesting.

But when when we when we just look at um what’s going yeah going back to my point so when I was on vice um there would be cases coming in to do with with brothel and the proceeds of crime act to come in and there was a lot of money to be recouped from um taking assets of of brothel keepers which made a lot of money and and the same with these nail bars they go on about uh these um Turkish barbers now but nail bars But a lot of them were run from the proceeds of a lot of the the Vietnamese and the Chinese sex trade.

So people go about um funding criminality.

Well, I’m telling women, don’t go and get your nails done in these nail bars cuz when I was in the police, they were the way of laundering money from the sex trade and there was a lot of exploitation in that sex trade, you know, but they love their nails done.

So So heyo, you know, but there was money being s back.

So, so when it come to the brothel, officers begin being dispatched um to go out there and seize property all over the world.

So, they could be going to to Cyprus, they could be going to um Thailand and and to all these places.

And when you go abroad with the police, especially if you go somewhere hot, you can get a hot clothing allowance because you’re going to have to change your wardrobe.

So, you get you can go and buy shorts and that.

You get $110 a day expenses.

And back then you would fly out business class cuz you was on business and that all be paid for and putting a comfortable hotel cuz you got to work.

So if you’re going out to Thailand, well you getting a jolly out a piss up on the taxpayer, right? Would you want to go there? Of course you would.

Right.

So player dele spa resort fivestar all that.

Is it nice to go there? I would have thought so.

Are you going to be there for a protracted period? I would have thought so.

Would you be spending any of your money? No, you’re not.

Whereas with me, my kids came from council estates.

So, I go in, someone say, “Right, uh, can someone uh got the passport? You have to have your passport at work.

Um, you have to have it in your drawer.

” Right? You know, you go Hephro, you’re on your way to Thailand.

Oh, brilliant.

Off you go.

And it’s someone else will be sent out to another country and they say, “John, you’re uh you’re going to Peckham.

You’re going to Bethyl Green.

” Cuz that’s where the kids owns were.

So, there’s no glamour in it either, right? So, there’s no glamour in going to these.

So, so all these kids that have gone missing, young girls of of which there’s a lot of them, there’s no mileage in going around these housing estates in a northern town or, you know, I I’ll give an example, a little girl, Mary Bo, that went missing in Dunny Gaul.

They call her the Irish Maline Macan.

Another huge cover up.

And and again, the girl was was sexually abused and murdered.

That that’s the opinion.

Did they never get her body either? Uh, no.

No.

and and you know and what were they doing that they might but where where where’s the glamour there in Dunny Gore where it rains three days out of five you know pee bogs and rocky outcrops and all that well there’s no glamour there is there but if the little kid went missing in St.

Kits or Antigua or somewhere like that, you know, there’d be people clambering over going on that investigation.

What age was that? Beh uh I think she was about seven, six, seven like that, you know.

And then we got Leslie Mosed, another girl that went missing in um in in West Yorkshire and the police stitched up a guy that was [ __ ] called Stefan Kitsko.

and the officer that deliberately screwed that case up, my opinion, they they moved him over to uh to to Yorkshire from West Yorkshire over to East Yorkshire and into what they call the ridings and he went on to screw up the um uh Ripper inquiry, Yorkshire Ripper inquiry of which there’s been a real real scrutinization of how much that that they missed who really was doing it.

Uh, you know, and of course up here you had Moira Anderson that that went missing from Copr.

Another huge cover up, you know, with very sinister undertones, you know, the sex abuse and the murder of children.

What makes this any different? Well, the fact is it was done in a beautiful place.

So, whoever’s running it, if you got on that team, you’re pretty much on your first day told you make sure you got some nice shorts cuz you’re going to be working in a five-star resort.

And then once uh a site in a madlin comes up saying Morocco off they go out to Morocco off they go out to you know they’ll be very selective where they went you know and the money was there to do it so it was just a in my opinion a jolly out a jolly out and a cover up because these were connected people these are very very connected people this was seeing connectivity and it’s working and they always going about Freemasons you know looking out for each other like well maybe this is a version of how that works with the Macs.

You know, it stinks.

I don’t think they’ve got to look further than mother and father.

And like like the police in Portugal said, “Why are you arresting all these people? We arrested the ones who did it.

You lot just have to prove it.

” Do you think they’ll ever get to the truth or get justice? No.

No.

And I think anyone who just follows this, you know, because say you got this girl Julia who’s now in prison um for harassing Kate McCann and and I warned her, don’t do it.

Don’t do it.

These people are, you know, they’re vexated.

They’re laticious.

You know, you don’t go near them.

You know, like wasps, they’re going to sting you.

Um but she didn’t listen.

She went out there and of course she’s banged up now for harassment and and you know last you’ll see heard now there’s a girl in America who claims she’s Meline Mac.

Oh, it’s a nonsense.

Meline’s dead.

Meline died probably two days before officially was reported missing.

Uh a body it’s nothing now.

Was there ever a like who reported the last sight? Like it’s crazy.

It’s a crazy story.

I think it was it was in the hotel um and all around but you know they’ve milked it you they’ve really milked it those two and you know again what’s that crying in public if you’re crying you’re lying that’s what you used to say if you’re crying you’re lying you know in public sitting there it’s all the nonsense it’s all a pantomime and then of course they’ve got this this spin doctor guru came in and aggressively challenged anyone who went outside the narrative and there was even an ex detective come on board and they He’s always on these programs gobbing off about his theory.

He gets on a lot of national media.

The bloke’s an idiot.

Uh, you know, and he was siding with the Macans saying that, you know, I believe the Macans.

Well, it just goes to show he’s born pay for himself as well then, isn’t it? You know, cuz I think any good detective will realize what happened there.

And and any good detective will realize that fingers point towards the parents, not away from them.

about this idiot’s going on about, you know.

So, the Portuguese police actually did arrest him.

Yeah, they did nick them.

Yeah.

And then they were they were suspects.

Yeah.

The British authorities.

Yeah.

They just interfered.

They interfered.

You know, at the same time that happened, a little girl in a northern town called Shannon Matthews went missing and Shannon was from an impoverished, feckless, you know, background.

Her mother was an idiot.

And her stepdad was a pedophile.

He got he got convicted of um a child porn offense.

And I can always I can always remember they were interviewing Shannon’s mom and she said, “Oh, she’s been tooken.

She’s been toen tooken.

” And you know, they hid the kid in under the bed, didn’t they? Hid her in the loft and under the bed.

I remember that story.

Just to claim, you know, but they were getting money or something.

It was just idiots.

But a few days the kid was missing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Was not the loft.

The police went up and found her or something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They they found they was iding all around the house and when they went around there they they seized a computer and that her partner had been looking at child porn and you know but you know it was done and dealt with quickly you know and the police sort of got to the truth.

Why didn’t they get to the truth with it? it’s just been milked and that it’s the money they plowed into it and you can offset that against all the other missing kids cases, you know, and it’s it’s really weird when you look into it, right? It’s always a pattern and so you you had the these cases like I mentioned of Leslie Mosed and Moira Anderson.

So Moira Anderson goes missing and uh it gets reported to the police and it was uh the the father is it something I think Alistister Garang he was a a bus driver and the daughter of this Alistister has written a book about Moira Anderson just saying look my dad and his dad admit to killing Moira Anderson and he was part of a bigger pedophile group and at the same time you had Fred West up there and there was rumors there was police officers involved olved and and the the narrative that came out the police was that Moira has probably gotten a bus cuz it was in the winter she went missing probably got on a bus and uh and gone down to London to see the lights she lived in Catbridgeidge she was a little girl it’s just unbelievable there there was a case in Belgium two little kids that were missing were murdered by a pedophile and and when it went to the police and said look you know we need to like find these two little kids they said Oh, no.

They just probably built a camp and it was like minus 20 in a rural setting.

They went, “What do you mean build a camp? They’re going to starve.

” I went, “Well, there’s plenty of potatoes in the field.

They could eat a raw potato.

” And that was a police’s respon, you know, it was imbecillic.

And then when you had Leslie Mosed, the same thing went missing.

Nothing to see.

And where was that when John and that was a girl in West Yorkshire and uh she was found with multiple stab wounds in her back.

I I generally say that it was ritualistic because it was up on the moors um at the time when the Moors murderers were happening.

Um it was um uh there there’s a a woman who’s written a book um and and her parents were both involved in satanic ritual abuse and she always said that um her father knew Leslie Molce and she concurs with me that that this was a ritualistic murder stabbed in the back but they stitched up a bloke called Stefan Kitsko who was had he was [ __ ] He had the IQ of a little kid.

This is what they do.

Yeah.

This is what they do.

We see that again a lot with Jill Dando and things like that.

Stitching up special needs people.

Seen so many of it and police doggedly going for it time and time again.

We see this.

You mentioned M’s murder there.

Yeah.

What’s your take on that? We Myra Henley and um what was the name of our partner again? Brady.

He was Scottish.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Again, you you got to look at these people.

He he’d come from a very troubled background.

Abuse, you know, there’s a lot of abuse there.

Um, his mother had brought him up and he was in he was a petty criminal and things like that.

So, he was, you know, he was a screwed up screwed up man.

The same thing happens with these people.

You see that there’s always traits of abuse in the past.

Um, and when you get multiple kids going missing, I I tend to uh incline that they may be part of a bigger thing such as a cult, such as the procurement of children to order for for these cults for blood rituals, you know.

Um, of course I would get heranged and and and belittled for this, you know, a little while back, but now it’s come out and official report that this has been going on and these satanic groups have been doing this sort of thing.

Uh, so you you see the same traits, same as Fred and Rosemary West.

Um, many many many victims have gone missing through them.

There was a guy uh called Brian Fields, Brian Lun Fields, an ex- Royal Marine, and uh wherever he went, kids went missing.

And he would travel around the country, kids went missing.

He he was connected to a group uh called the Dirty Dozen, which was run by an infamous murder, a child murder called Sydney Cook.

Sydney Cook, who murdered a kid called Jason Swift.

And again, Cook and Co.

they believe to have murdered many many young kids in in sadistic sex parties.

So that these kids are maybe procured for sex parties, for ritualistic stuff, whatever.

I’ve I’ve got a statement provided by um by a charity and it it was done by a street prostitute and it was done with an appropriate adult in the presence.

It’s a legal statement and it’s uh this crack rattled herin addict prostitute was um being paid £2,000 by a drug dealer in this was in central London uh in the Waterloo area central London.

She was told don’t go using condoms you know cuz a lot of the punters they make them wear condoms because of the disease which said no don’t you know get pregnant and we’ll give you two grand for the baby.

So she was getting pregnant and then selling the baby and she said I knew where it went.

It was it was going to for ritualistic, you know, abuse for sacrifice.

And they told her that she was going to a special clinic taking the baby was handed straight over to this guy.

I don’t know how much he got for it, but it’ be a lot of money.

And again, we said, I I’ve spoken to survivors of satanic ritual abuse who go on about babies.

I’ve I’ve spoken to three women who have actually murdered babies.

Stabbed them.

Stabbed them.

But one told me she was made to stab six children in a row that were under a cloth on a table in in a big film studio studio just outside of London.

There was a ritual held in there.

But she was only 6 years old and it’s part of the conspira of silence.

and they got the knife and she said it was like a stiletto used to open letters, you know, and they sharpened it and there were little girls and she was made to stab them in the vagina.

Little girls.

one one woman, she’s she’s an author now.

Um and she was made to to stab a child that she said there was a a cloth and it was wriggling in this ritual and they pulled it out and there was a child and they dressed her in a um communion dress and she was given a knife and she was told to cut the baby’s throat and she didn’t do it cuz she didn’t want to hurt the baby.

She was only a little kid.

She was again about six, seven years old.

And to punish her, they put a hot poker up her anus and then made her do it.

And then afterwards, there was there was an orgy.

Um, one woman told me of a little boy who had his arm, left arm cut off in a ritual.

Um, she remembers watching it and she named the boy.

She said, “I know who it is.

” So he said he’s in a lad called Brian McD and he went missing officially I think in the 70s in in Belfast.

Um he was connected to the King Cora Children’s Home.

There was five boys went missing from there and his body was found in the L River Lagen and it was dismembered.

Right.

She said they they cut I think they cut his head off but she said he’ll have his left arm missing because the left side is the devil’s side.

in in in Ireland, they used to put children in care homes for being left-handed because I’m left-handed, John.

Yeah.

Back in the day, there’s a woman who works in a chip shop near me.

She’s an older girl, and she was putting the kids home for being left-handed.

That’s crazy.

And endure terrible abuse.

The nuns would would her, make her right.

She She hate Many people have told me the hatred of nuns.

Most wicked wicked of people, you know.

Um, so th this kid Brian was found uh with a dismembered body in a sack and they went and arrested his brother and they said his brother had done it because they had had an argument and uh Brian had thrown a stick at his brother or something.

So his brother decided out revenge to kill him and dismember him.

I mean it’s ludicrous.

And his brother is only a couple of years older than him.

How would he have the the the intelligence, the knowledge, the skill set to dismember a body and then throw it into a tidal heavy? Have you ever been to the river lag and it it flows like a monster? It’s a fast flowing, you know, there’s no way a little kid did that.

And they tried to stitch his brother up with that.

And I took the information to to the um national press in uh in Belfast and I I met with a journalist.

He said, “Yeah, the body was dismembered, but they’re not telling us how.

” And when we took the information to the police service, because I passed it all over, uh, they said, “Yeah, the left arm was missing.

” Which tied in with what I was said, there was a guy called Colin Wallace.

He was an intelligence officer for the for the British Army.

And he was part of a unit that would discredit news sources and things like that during the troubled times in Belfast.

And he he was more of a misinformation guru.

and they started getting information about ritualistic killings.

And when Brian McDermott’s body was found out, the information that came through from a source was that this is a ritualistic murder.

And it officially went down by the RU, the Royal Oster Conabulary as a ritualistic murder.

And this unit was sent in to discredit that.

And they were then sent out to mock up these fake satanic sites all over Belfast to show it was like kids involved in uh like rock and roll and satanic heavy metal.

He said we just made a mockery of you know kick over a gravestone draw a pentagram just to take the heat away from from this murder.

And cuz this guy was speaking out he got imprisoned for a murder he didn’t commit.

He’s he’s called the man who knew too much.

It’s a really interesting documentary.

Um, but he just is about the cover-ups and and it was all to do with the children’s homes.

Is that on YouTube, John? Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Colin Wallace, a man who knew too much.

I think I’ll be watching that.

Yeah.

He’s brilliant.

Brilliant.

But again, it’s to do with children cuz he he he expressed concerns about these kids that were going missing from the kids’ homes in Canora and the people that were involved in it, establishment figures.

So, it can take it to to a very sinister level.

And when it does start involving ritualistic abuse, people shut off.

They shut off with child abuse anyway because they don’t want to talk about it.

But ritualistic abuse, it’s like, “Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Don’t go there.

” And then you get terribly, terribly ridiculed and trolled, you know.

Uh so it’s but no this but now like I said there is a document that’s come out now now from central government to police forces and they are going to start training officers in in in um recognizing ritualistic sites and uh it needs to be done because America does it.

America has uh an occult crimes unit the NYPD.

It’s got brilliant unit.

It was run by a fellow called Ralph Sachi and there’s a film called Deliver us from Evil and he teamed up with an exorcist called Malachi Martin who was from County Kerry and if there was a bizarre murder that had some sort of ritual connotation these two would be brought in and they made a film about it.

It’s it’s a Netflix film deliver from evil.

It’s all about this New York detective Ralph Sachi.

Um, in South Africa they’ve got the occult crimes unit run by a guy called Kobash Yonka and and it’s real and there’s there’s two criteria.

If you have to join an occult crimes team, you have to be a murder squad detective and you have to be a committed Christian.

And it’s really weird.

And I said, but why? And they said, if if you’re not grounded, you know, in Christ, you don’t last 5 minutes cuz you’re dealing with the occult.

and they take it very very seriously over there.

It’s a very real thing.

Italy’s got an occult crimes unit, but the UK hasn’t.

And we’re ancient lands and them there’s probably untold amount of missing kids and everything else that have come that succumbed to to ritualistic or or or perverted sexual deviency.

Loads.

So when you get the multiple ones, I always think there’s more to it.

There’s more to it.

It’s organized and everything else.

But geographical profiling as you mentioned a little bit earlier is a is a fascinating topic.

Um what you got to do as investigators you never look at what you haven’t got.

You always look at what you have got and it’s all there in front of you.

Right? Whether it comes from interviewing is a very very important thing.

Uh how people behave is incredibly important.

You start looking the devil’s in the detail.

You look at the money like like Kate Mac wearing makeup.

Come on now.

If one of your children dies, mate, I’ll be in the bottom of a bottle and I’m staying there everywhere drinking myself in there.

Do you know what I mean? There’s no way you will get a sober me for a long time.

Yeah, of course you’ll be out there day in day out.

You would never stop.

It would never stop.

It’d be relentless.

Unless you knew it.

Unless you knew.

And then you would give up or unless you was involved, then you would give up.

But you you would never stop.

One of my kids failed to come home once.

Oh man, I’ve never known despair like it.

Despair.

He He did come home late and you know, relief combined with anger and fear, you know, but it was a it was the most wretched feeling.

Um so to to lose a child um and and you do see it with these parents who who’ve lost children, it kills them.

It will kill them.

um you know like Keith Bennett’s mom and people like that you see them that they’re distraught and the the relationships break up and you know that alkalism creeps in and all sorts you know how do you sleep knowing that your kid could be out there that glimmer of hope that they are out there that they’re trying to get home to mom and to dad and well they say that’s worse when they’re missing.

Yeah.

If you don’t know what’s happened.

Yeah.

That constant torture.

Well, even when your dog runs off.

Exactly.

you know it that’s bad enough that the truth is the truth and when when someone’s speaking the truth there’s a power in it there’s a resonance in it there there was um a young girl who’ who’d come to a victim and she had been uh raped and badly abused over many years by her mother’s boyfriend statistically we got to look at this is where it occurs in the home it’s it’s a very sobering and harrowing stat that 8% of the abuses in and stepparents do equate for a lot of the abuse and it’s just and because of the society we live in that you know it will affect a lot of people that are listening to this that they will have that reality come into it and anyway this um girl her mom was away with a fairies she gets in with this fell and he decides then he’s cuz he’s a pervert pedophile he’s going to abuse her and her sister and she was about seven or eight when it started her sister was a year younger um her sister wasn’t as intelligent as her.

So, her sister got abused worse, right? And again, it shows a cowardly nature of these people.

Uh but but the girl years later that she decides she’s going to speak out and she goes to the police, she comes to me, we interview her, he gets arrested, and he goes before a court and he’s doing his best to worm his way out of it.

And uh cuz she gets given the these provisions where she can give evidence on video link, right? because we interview them in this setting.

We don’t take statements with the kids.

We interview them in this setting.

So, how we elicit the evidence is done freely and everyone can see how we’ve got their information, right? Nothing’s hidden cuz we don’t want these people to get off with it, right? And we don’t want to coers them.

Uh but she’s she’s afforded this where she can be cross-examined via video link and she said, “John, I don’t want to do that.

I want to go like you do in that court.

I want to stand there like on the telly like I’ve seen in the telly.

” I went, “Yeah, but you know you you do it from this room.

” She went, “No, I want to look him in the eye.

” I went, “Good on you.

” So I went up to my bar.

I said, “Listen, she don’t want a special measures.

She wants to go in and look him in the eye.

” She went, “You serious?” I went, “Yeah.

” Went, “Wow, let’s do it then.

” “Sure, she’s up for it.

” I went, “Yeah, she’s up for it.

” She goes in there.

He’s got this barer who’s very dogged and, you know, doing his best to discredit this girl.

And she just points and she said, “He raped me.

He raped me.

He raped me when I was a little kid.

I remember it.

And there was nothing I could do.

The truth.

It was the truth power.

It had absolute power.

It was total absolute.

It it destroyed.

There was nothing they could do.

Nothing they could do.

And that was it.

And that cuz it was the truth.

And once you got the truth in your side, it don’t need protecting.

You know, they say stand up for it.

No, never stand up for the truth.

It’s a lie.

It don’t need protection.

It stands on its own.

The truth stands on its own.

And that’s what they don’t want.

That’s why they have to try and distort the truth.

They have to try and rubbish the truth.

They try and avoid anyone telling the truth.

That’s why they won’t That’s why they wouldn’t call Paul Burl to give evidence at Diana inquiry cuz he’d have told the truth and he didn’t want the truth getting out.

You know, we’ve had these inquiries Diana inquiry having an inquiry saying it was an accident.

Oh, come on.

Oh, come on.

They murdered that poor woman.

That’s it.

She even told him.

She told them, “He’s my husband’s planning on having me murdered.

” You know, game over, right? They couldn’t control her.

So, they get Look at John F.

Kennedy.

80% of of the American population don’t believe the official narrative.

They shouldn’t believe it cuz it’s a lie.

They shot that man in the face, in the head, and it goes as a stark warning.

Don’t you mess with us.

And they do the same to us whistleblowers.

They try and destroy us publicly.

uh humiliate us and make sure we never get up.

They do it on purpose.

But it shows you the strength of you, John, being that individual who’s walked that walk.

Yeah.

And that experience of being like enemy of the state as you call it, it must be very difficult.

Yeah.

Very difficult.

But then all of a sudden it gets corroborated and some other copper stands up and says, “Actually, happened to me.

” And you’re like, “Yes.

” With me was the the one was a guy called Lenny Harper.

uh with the grooming games we hear detective Mag Oliver she’s always on the I know her she’s a good girl but um she’s not the only one right they need to start listening to others right and one is Lenny Harper you know and what he uncovered in the states of Jersey um with the kids home there where kids were being tortured and murdered for sex part is involving people high up in the establishment and they destroyed they went out their way to destroy Linear There was a guy called Mike Vil, a chief constable.

Wow.

You never get that rank coming up speaking out.

But he did and he spoke out about Ted Heath, our prime minister, being, you know, a rapist of young boys and a person involved in satanic abuse.

He said it on Sky News.

They they destroyed him because he said the truth.

The establishment don’t want the truth.

They they can’t handle the truth.

They don’t want it.

And people refuse to accept it.

It’s called idolatry, right? They have a need to idolize, right? And it might be a footballer.

It might be an actor.

It might be a singer.

Well, what keeps these people in in positions where they’re always in the top this, top that, right? They’ve sold out.

They’ve sold out.

Uh someone said to me, I did one of these interviews.

They said, “Oh, look, you know, they’re they’re going after Puff Daddy and P.

Diddy.

I can’t stand these stupid names.

Sean Kums.

” Sean Kums, goofy, ugly pervert, a he um uh they’ve gone after him and it’s all gonna come out.

No, it ain’t.

It ain’t coming.

Ain’t nothing coming out.

What will happen is what they always do.

It’s an algorithm.

They do an inquiry.

The FBI is no different to us to to our C, you know, uh the NCA, whatever it might be.

They go in there.

It’s all we’re going to deal with this.

We’re going to smash this.

We’re going to list this, right? They take ownership, someone gets arrested, they’re put on bail, they might be reminded, and then there’s a trade done, then there’s a deal done.

And if they know any information, you know, it will reflect in their sentencing.

And look at Shan Kums.

He’s got the most minor lenient.

It’ll be classed as time served in prison and he’ll be out.

And if they are too big, you know, to handle, they’ll kill him.

Look, Epstein uh didn’t kill himself.

I think everyone is quite happy with that is the truth.

Uh was he involved? Of course he was involved.

You know, his island was a cultic.

It was a a bizarre playground.

It probably catered for a lot of things going on in that place.

And when you’re on an island, where you going to go? You ain’t going to go anywhere.

You’re stuck and you you know, you’re surrounded by sea.

You said that it’s the most perfect place to dispose of bodies as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The sea.

Let’s see.

Once you’re in there, that’s it.

It’ll be predated.

You’ve just got to cut it up, throw it in.

It’s gone.

It’s gone.

And and the sea will will erode it.

You know, just the kinetic action of the sea and that the bone ain’t going to last long.

It ain’t it’s it’s going to go.

Every little morsel DNA is destroyed when it’s in touch with water.

You’ve only got to go as long as you’re not in get a rocky bit of land.

You can’t troll it.

The last thing you want is a limb cropping up in a, you know, in a trollman’s net.

you just do it where an area where it’s rocky and you ain’t going to get that.

They can’t troll on a on a rocky shore, you know.

Um, and then he he hangs himself in a cell while the CCTV is out and all that.

Oh, come on.

The guards have fell asleep.

I’ve heard ton of different stories.

But look, there is massive parallels to be drawn between Fred West, his lifestyle and his demise.

It’s it’s a similar thing.

He’s just a Poundland version of Jeffrey Epstein.

That’s all he is.

Procurer of children for sex parties and ritualistic purposes.

And that was their stuff, right? And they knew too much.

They were a huge risk.

You know, what do you think the police do? You know, when the Brinks smack robbery, right, the weak link is the inside man, the straightgoer who’s been paid a few quid to let him in.

You know, he’s got to be disposed of.

They they did it with that that big um uh heist in American history, wasn’t it? The the one in the airport withanza Lufanza one, you know, they had to kill everyone because they were going to grasp them up.

That was Jimmy Buck.

Yeah.

And and they and again and that that Jimmy Burke, look at him.

He came from terrible child abuse.

He was in kids’ homes.

So, a very angry, aggressive, dangerous, psychopathic man.

And you’ll see the same pattern with these people.

Fred West, very, very damaged individual.

Him and his wife were just experts at procuring young children.

They got involved with the local police.

They had a bar in the house called the Voodoo Bar.

She would entertain a lot of black guys.

I spoke to one a Jamaican guy that used to go around there and and shag her and and he said there’s always cops in the house.

Um get them on board.

There was there was rumors there was cop was having off with Fred Rose West and one you’ve got the silence then haven’t you? You know and then if there there are people that that are perverted and and like to do swinging and things like that again the same thing.

Get them in on it.

What happened to her? She’s still alive.

She’s Yeah, she’s dying is she? She’s on her way out, but she’ll never give anything up because she’s evil and she’s just a control freak.

So, it’s their thing, isn’t it? It’s their last bit of control that they have that they know where their bodies are.

That’s it.

But they’re going to hell.

They’re going to hell.

But his demise is the same.

You You’ve got to look at the after a while.

You see the patterns.

You see the patterns.

And that’s why you can predict it.

It’s no different to people like John McCuric when he does with the racing.

He sees patterns in in in the horses.

He knows which one’s going to come in.

sees it and these patterns, these algorithms reoccur, reoccurring when you’re dealing with people, people are creatures of habit and you know it’s their thing.

It’s their thing that that the dangerous ones are when they’ve been heavily involved and they’ve turned their lives around and and they say, “Right, do you know what? I’m not doing this anymore.

” That that’s when they’re a real danger.

A real danger expose.

Yeah.

They they want to purge themselves and speak out and they say, “Look, this this is what happens.

” You know, there’s so many people silenced, especially in the like America, Hollywood, as you said, that type of scene.

Yeah.

It’s crazy.

There’s a film that’s called um Kill the Messenger.

Can’t mind his name, but they said that he committed suicide and he shot himself.

Yeah.

Twice in the head and it was he was exposing the CIA and all their corruption with the drugs and stuff.

But I the name will come back to me, John.

Well, there was there was a case um in Belfast and it was through the procurement courts and you got to look at these things as well.

Uh, and there were there was a judge there.

There was a group of judges that were um looking into people that that had special needs that had inherited property and they were putting them as war to court, making them, you know, uh the state can then take um their decision making and make them counter signitaries and they were basically fleecing these, you know, people with Down syndrome and special needs of their properties or people with dementia and they were taking procuring it all the property for themselves.

And one guy found out about it and he was about to blow the whistle and again I think it was in the river Lagen in Belfast.

He was found with his bl brains blown out, right? They said it was suicide.

But the gun was found half a mile down the river.

So the coroner the coroner said, “I know exactly what happened.

He’s he’s shot himself in the head.

The gun’s fallen out his hand, landed on a bit of wood and it’s floated down the river and it’s deposited itself on that bank and that was seen as an acceptable, you know, explanation of what went on and that was it.

Case closed.

It’s an insult to intelligence, but you see the same things when you the crap they come out with.

It’s always a a great honor sitting with you, John, listening to your stories, your experience, your great wisdom.

But before we finish up on this episode, if there’s another message you can send out to the audience watching, now is the time.

Yeah.

Uh I I always say the same thing that um I come across as a position as someone who who wants to work on behalf of the vulnerable.

I’ve I’ve dedicated my life and and my working career to doing it and I’m now doing it in my retirement years.

You know, a voice for the voiceless.

And I’m just saying to the victims and survivors, you hold the power, right? It’s not your shame to carry.

You didn’t choose this.

They did it to you.

Stand up and speak out.

St.

Now’s the time more than any.

Stand up and speak out.

I want to call out to to the pedophiles who have done this.

Stop doing it.

Stop it.

It was done to you.

It weren’t right.

And now you don’t.

You must stop it.

And you must go to police and tell the police everything you’ve done and all those involved with you.

That’s what I tell you to do, right? And redeem yourself.

Put right where you’ve put wrong, right? And uh and again to to the other group, those involved in in ritualistic abuse, stop it because the one you’re serving is a liar.

He will abandon you and he will strip you of everything and what you’re doing is wrong.

It’s destructive and and it destroys.

Pack it in.

Pack it in now.

Go to Jesus.

Call it a day.

And again, grass everyone up that’s doing it.

this is the only way we’re going to get through this is to be like super grasses grass people up.

It’s perverted.

It’s wrong.

That’s allowed in the criminal world, you know.

Uh and all this criminal code of conduct.

I think it’s all nonsense anyway.

I think the whole criminal thing is disruptive.

We’ve got laws in for a reason to protect decent vulnerable people.

The only way is the straight way, but it’s never too late.

Turn your life around.

And uh and I want to speak to those that you know that um listen to what we say and it and it triggers them and all that.

You know, we do it cuz the world needs to know what you went through and um you your life’s precious and you are loved.

You know, suicide is not an option.

It’s not an option.

It it’s it’s one of the biggest killers of young men in America.

And it’s getting like this over here.

It it’s getting bad.

And we need to do a lot more to prevent suicide.

there needs to be a lot more help especially to young men cuz them their main target you know for this horrible horrible situation you know so I call out to them you’re loved don’t do it you you you’ve got value your life’s got worth you know God bless God bless all victims and survivors great message John I want to thank you so much for coming on the show absolute pleasure it’s always a great honor to see you pot of tea yes you’re always well looked after but thanks again John and I’m sure we’ll see you again very and shake my hand.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you, John.